Tuesday, July 11, 2006

Am I telling the truth?

I have had to question whether I can rely on comments from people posting on my site. There are a lot of facts being stated here. I'm no statistician, but I do know when one fact contradicts another, there is something not right.

One aspect of our problem is crime statistics. We don't have any, officially. Claims are being made that the official stats from SAPS are incredibly high, but then again, the other corner is claiming that the same source shows a general decline in crime. I'll admit, I haven't checked these stats myself because my support does not substantiate anything. It was never my intention to be a statistician or to comment here about how bad crime is in SA. I'd rather look at how badly we want to fix it and how we can go about doing that without dragging the name of our country through the mud.

Another thing I have commented on is the reliability and authenticity of Mr Watson's site, more specifically, the gruesome pictures he is publishing. I have only seen one of these pictures to date and am unsure as to whether there are more because my Internet explorer keeps crashing when I try to visit it. Somewhere in the over 600 comments now on this site, someone said that the picture Mr Watson used was not submitted by crime affected South Africans but rather a copy and paste job from rotten.com. This is a web site I have no intention of trawling, looking for the same graphic I originally saw. If someone can substantiate that the graphic was taken from Rotten.com, it would help immensly. Please post a comment or email me directly.

For those of you that support Mr Watson's site and are against me trying to discredit him, please know that I have it on very good authority that a proper site will soon be launched which will invite ALL interested parties to have their say. Also, it is hoped that there will be more accurate information provided.

This does fit into Mr Watson's overall goal to better the country by reducing crime levels. Something we all agree needs to be done.

Addy

And in case you didn't read my extra long post above, here is the summary: Please contact me if you have any information regarding the graphic pictures on the Crime Expo SA site, and where they come from.

20 Comments:

At 1:44 PM, July 11, 2006, Anonymous The original Anonymous said...

Here’s a Statistic for you:

Travellers to South Africa were the most likely to suffer violent robberies or lose their belongings in transit, according to Norwich Union, a leading insurance provider's analysis of claims made by its globe-trotting clients.
July 11 2006 at 11:33AM
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?newslett=1&em=3202a6a20060711ah&click_id=420&art_id=qw1152532262979T614&set_id=14

 
At 1:47 PM, July 11, 2006, Anonymous The original anonymous said...

Bloody attack forces family to move
A Durban man, who defended himself and his family from two machete-wielding housebreakers at their home in Avoca Hills, has warned that he will not hesitate to kill criminals who threaten him and his family.
Yet, for all Preggie Govender's courage, the family has to face the grim reality that they will have to live elsewhere as they fear for their safety.
Although thankful his three young children were not in the house, Govender and his family say they cannot face another night in their blood-stained home and are planning to move out. This after only moving into their home three weeks ago.
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=79&art_id=vn20060711125027471C841578

 
At 2:13 PM, July 11, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

All Neil Watson's photos come from ogrish.com. If you search on the site for South Africa you will find all the exact same pictures

 
At 2:14 PM, July 11, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is the point of quoting news articles, when most of us of quite obviously read the news on www.iol.co.za anyway. How else did we find out about Addy's site duh! If you haven't got a comment to make then piss off!

 
At 2:24 PM, July 11, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for the info on orgrish - seems the original source is rense.com - trying to find out where they got them.
Angie

 
At 3:48 PM, July 11, 2006, Anonymous Jam said...

Focus on the negative, the negative happens. And vice versa.
I am delighted that you set up something to create balance.

 
At 5:18 PM, July 11, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At 7:22 PM, July 11, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Addy here's you photos youngman ..

http://www.africancrisis.org/Photos45.asp

 
At 9:55 PM, July 11, 2006, Anonymous none said...

People have focused and supported the Rainbow nation since the change of government in 1994. A lot of good all that positive energy has done.

JAM: If your formula holds true then you guys in SA are really screwed now

 
At 10:02 PM, July 11, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Have you guys seen this? It knocks the spots off Neil Watson's site!

http://southafricaiscrap.blogspot.com/

 
At 11:17 PM, July 11, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

When someone attacked New York and Washington DC in the United States, the Americans were united (to a large extent) in condemning the atrocities and were even unified in supporting the wars that followed. It took the death of innocent people to get Americans agreeing on one thing, even though such agreement spelt disaster for world cooperation.
I can liken the recent attacks on South Africa by both the unsubstantiated yellow Rapport journalism and the scare mongering of one Insurance broker from (where else) Cape Town as an attack on the country. The unintended consequence of such an action was for an introspection of people across racial lines and across age groups. Suddenly, these people could not be shut-up anymore and they have voiced their love and dedication for the country while expressing a loathing for the crime and grime.
I stead of making the situation worse, they have resolved to do something, instead of always expecting government to
provide jobs, arm every one, disarm everyone, feed everyone, house everyone, employ everyone, be fair to everyone, arrest everyone, keep the border locked for everyone, subsidise and protect farmers, etc, etc.
Their reaction has been to remember the positive things that have happened in the country for the past 12 years, remembering what it was like before and how quickly some of the things have happened and how patient some of the previously have been despite being denied so many of the things they were denied before, by the very same people.
Yes, I need to thank Rapport and Neil Watson for reminding me what is good about my country and the work that still needs to be done to make it better. And we will make it better with or without Neil Watson, Rapport or the World Cup.

 
At 11:57 PM, July 11, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

HOW I ASK MYSELF...with vicious murders like this on UNARMED CIVILIANS BLACK AND WHITE????....you are right we are screwed...these ARSEHOLES are gonna murder us all, while the World and Human Rights bullshit themselves...

 
At 8:47 AM, July 12, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Neil Watson is not doing anything at all to help stop crime. He is making money with a PREMIUM SMS service by exploiting crime and he feeds like a parasite on the suffering and horror experienced by other people.
Do not support him. Never ever send an SMS to the number 35999.
He feeds like a blood sucker on the crime experienced by his fellow citizens.
His aim is to make money out of crime! That is sick.
What has he done to reduce crime? NOTHING.

 
At 11:18 AM, July 12, 2006, Blogger Miree said...

Hi Addy,
The question is what to do - how do we fix it. The only way I can see is to start an organisation/party. An organisation that is run by intelligent powerful people and has a huge following. An organisation that is passionate, determined and believes it can make a difference. An organisation that challenges the government and has its say in parliment. An organisation that does not sit around and complain but uses its resources to propose ideas to combat crime. I would be a part of this organisation, and so would you and Mr Watson face would probably too. CEO's of major companies who have been affected by crime would join, woman who have lost children, your everyday man in the street, hell even invite teenagers to join - they too have been affected by crime. What I am saying is that WE are the resource that will ultimately make a change and we are only as powerless as we believe ourselves to be. It is 1 individual that has started or ignited thought forms that in turn have changed the world and we have that power in our hands....we only need to realise it and then stand together! And I think it is fantastic that blogs like this exist, I am even grateful for Mr Watson face because without the negative the positive is not forced to rise up. I for one am happy to work with with whomever is interested, lets start an e-mail that we circulate and in turn is circulated further, asking people who would be interested in creating a nationwide body that takes a stand against crime. The great thing is that we have a country full of resources from doctors to lawyers to businessman. Come on come on come on LETS DO IT

 
At 11:50 AM, July 12, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Miree said...
"Hi Addy,
The question is what to do - how do we fix it. The only way I can see is to start an organisation/party."

We already have this facility. It is called democracy and the ANC is the party elected by the people to fix the problem. It doesn't matter that they are incompetent and ignore the crime scourge; 'we' keep electing them!

There is no solution to this madness. Those that can, should leave; the rest are cannon fodder.

Mike from Simonstown

 
At 12:24 PM, July 12, 2006, Anonymous Wendy Landau said...

I was very grateful when you started this blog because I was horrified by Watson's quite amateurish and unbalanced website. I think you are courageous to put yourself on the line and respond to Watson and invite his remarks that you are living in a dream. I think Watson is a very wounded and traumatised person, who is very angry - he needs help with what he and his loved ones have gone through but he cannnot generalise his experiences for everyone.

Yes bad things do happen in this country and I am not excusing them - but for a lot of people they also don't happen. I for one have been very fortunate that crime has hardly touched me, my family and my friends over many years. I am also fortunate that I am able to live a good life most days and enjoy a fairly decent standard of living (low by the standard of most whites but for me sufficient).

Yes, there are enormous challenges regarding crime facing this country as there are regarding other issues such as education, health, poverty alleviation. (By the way, anyone who quotes statistics from insurance companies is laughable - they are in the business of making you as worried about crime as possible!!!)As someone who was a militant against apartheid, I have noticed how post 1994 "the crime problem" suddenly became the new-found political interest of so many whites. Crime was a problem long before 1994 but it was blacks who were being killed violently - whites didn't worry so much about that. The fact that in Gauteng from 1990-1994 thousands of citizens died on the trains and in the townships in a terrible civil war just down the road from the suburbs did not concern the majority of whites.

Addy, you are a brave young man and all strength to you as the "them and us" people attack you in comments. We all know who THEY and THEM are in their racist minds.

There are so many wonderful people who everyday work together, have friendships and who build a wonderful country together across the races - do people really want to dedicate their spirits to negativity? You have a choice - and I invite you to stand for something bigger, brighter, broader - something at the heart of all religions - the spirit of reconciliation, forgiveness and building something new and better together.

 
At 12:59 PM, July 12, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mike from Simonstown - They are not the same thing, the ANC is a political party and what Miree is suggesting is a pressure group. It can only do good and people should support the idea.

"There is no solution to this madness." - that is your opinion and not fact. People like Miree like to think this doesn't have to be the case.

And finally regarding your suggestion "Those that can, should leave; the rest are cannon fodder." - I've read this same suggestion many times on this forum, but everyone who says it seems to miss an important point - WE DON'T WANT TO GO. Working on the assumption that many people love SA and want to say, surely it's better for these people to try do something rather than just sit and moan?

 
At 4:19 PM, July 12, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Addy i'm sorry but you're ridiculous. My star sign is this, and my favourite books are these...
Neil Watson is trying to achieve something.
You are trying to be the the "other famous guy" associated with Neil Watson.
If you want to be taken seriously, remove your handsome picture, my favourite movies etc.
I mean you list Scary movie 1,2 and 3 as being your favourites....is this because you don't take murder seriously enough? A spoof on gruesome horror movies actually really isn't that funny to people who have lost friends and family through murder.
c'mon Addy, you're young and I can see what you're trying to do, but Neil isn't defaming you on his site so perhaps you should be your own man and do the same.

 
At 11:50 PM, July 12, 2006, Blogger Willie said...

Want to see the thruth....have a look here...

http://www.africancrisis.org/Photos45.asp

 
At 12:41 PM, July 14, 2006, Anonymous SLN said...

1. Most people in favour of your type of response probably have some or other connection or interest in the tourism industry!


Not true. The tourism industry will not be the only one affected by this scare mongering. Companies might find it hard to convince their staff to come to South Africa as part of an investment opportunity.

2. Most of the people who say Neil Watson's site is unpatriotic have probably never been affected directly by the violent nature of the crime in South Africa. Can any of you tell me honestly that, if you had to choose between patriotism and the safety of your family, you'd choose patriotism??

I actually find Neil's website to be in bad taste and taking advantage of the gullible by taking their money. At last count, he had made over R2300 in less than a week. Imagine how much extra income he will generate.
Furthermore, Neil's website does nothing about crime. It merely publicises it, which our media have not tired of doing.
The problem I have with Neil's website is that he seems only interested in prominently publishing only the letters that claim he is a god. SMS's that criticise him are often buried so deep that you would die looking from the boredom of the seps that keep proclaiming him as the next best thing since sliced bread.
I have been affected by violent crime once, potentially violent once and affected by crime other 4 times since 1980. Of these incidents, 2 happened in the past 12 years.

3. Saying that other countries have their own crime problems proves exactly what?? Are we trying to justify the levels of crime in SA or maybe just easing our own conscience for a bit albeit by means of a very flimsy argument?

We are trying to point out that other countries have used different ways and means to deal with their problems. They are not putting their country down or even preventing income generated from foreign interaction. Surely, that is not too much to understand.
Nobody says nothing needs to be done because crime elsewhere is as bad. We are merely pointing out that the reaction actually hurts the very same people who are already victims of crime.
Any job losses will lead straight to a life of crime.
It is therefore easy to see how Neil is doing his best to make the situation worse. I suppose, it will fullfill his intentions and will sustain his website, as long as there are gullible who thing the best way to a problem s to make R3 per person from it.


4. Saying that Neil Watson's sight achieves nothing but negativity may or may not be true.

It is true that the site is negative

How much truth is there in all the tourism propoganda that goes out to foreign countries?? Do people like you not think it would be fair for tourists to get the full picture? Do we expect these people to come to our country, spend their money, and then get mugged or murdered? Would that matter all that much as they would probably have spent all their money already and whatever was left would have been stolen. If I was going to a foreign country I would expect people to give me the full picture.

And do you get the full picture of crime in countries you visit?
How many sites similar to that of Addy have you seen?
Furthermore, do you know how many tourists have been victims of crimes? How many repeat tourists do you know? Surely, they would not come back if they suffered the fate you claim.
You imply that advertising is wrong, how often do you find sites dedicated to telling you that the advertised product you consume will actually kill you?

5. It's time for people like you mr. Addy to take a trip to a 1st world country; experience the pleasures of living a normal existence; then come back to me and tell me that, after nearly 15 (YES FIFTEEN) years of democracy in which this government has failed dismally in addressing ANY of the serious issues in SA, I MUST REMAIN POSITIVE!!!!??? And in the meantime friends and family are being picked off by wanton criminals at every opportunity. But hey;....lets be positive!!

You are obsviously free to move into country that meets your expectation.
Having lived in a first world country for 6 years, I differ with your Paradise impression of life in other countries (1st world or not).
You claim that the government has not addressed any of the serious issues in the country. Obviously, this is not a fact based comment.
One wonders why you would resort to untruths, if the truth was so obvious.
The economy is growing. More than million familes now have homes. Many more families have had their land returned to them. More and more black people find themselves part of this economy, than before.
I suppose that is not as important as pleasing you, right?



6. What do define as remaining positive??

Finding solutions that improve you situation.
Whingeing and harming yourself is considered negative.



7. Yes I agree, Neil Watson's sight might be negative. But tell me this....how would you go about addressing the horrors of South African crime?

By seeking solutions that deal with the crime. By warning tourists to take precaustions as they would take in big cities and conttribute to local policing forums

How does one remain positive in these circumstances??

Easier to remain positive than being negative. A negative person always found nothing good even in good situations. A positive person finds solutions for even the negative situation.
That is the difference.
Here is another issue you did not broach.
Neil has demanded or begged FIFA to take away the World Cup. The World Cup is likely to provide many jobs for ordinary citizens either directly or indirectly (i.e. road works and other overdue improvements). Government will certainly not want to give tourists a bad impression and so will be forced by circumstances to do something.
They already are with a wave of raids reported in Johannesburg and due in Cape Town. These raids were discussed in a meeting between the Minister and his Commissioners prior to Neil's website as a resulf of the death of the 4 cops.
Taking away the World Cup would have the negative effect as everything could be postponed and motivation gone.
Furthermore, the lost opportunities would result in unemployment creating more criminals and the situation being more negative leading to you being more unsafe.
How is that good for the country, you and other blind supporters of Neil Watson (the insurance broker)?

 

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