Friday, July 07, 2006

Challenge from Anon

Hi again everyone

I was looking through the comments and I found this from another Anonymous.

"I challenge every person who has posted to this blog to do the following:

"Go find a family with no income and find them some form of employment. Even if it is temporary. With over 100 comments, that's 100 families, x4 people per family = 400 less people who have a reason to look to crime.

"We all here can afford internet connections- at Telkom rates, that means we can afford to help out. Translate your hot air into action."

Well... go on.

30 Comments:

At 4:32 PM, July 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Andy,

I am adding this post in an attempt to contact you. It does not apply to this post and you can delete it once you have read my message.

I started the website www.standtogether.co.za shortly after the murder of Brett Goldin.

The purpose of this website is to gather support for positve change in policy by government, in the areas of young offender protection/diversion programmes, prison reform (particularly eradicating gangs from prisons) and a hard-line approch to gangsterism

It is a pro-active "baby-step" in getting involved in the positive change in SA.

It would be great if you could add a post or a link to the www.standtogether.co.za website

Regards,
Waron

info@standtogether.co.za

 
At 4:46 PM, July 07, 2006, Blogger Pienk Zuit said...

There we go: Start doing something about it! And let's get rid of that "us" and "them" mentality.

 
At 5:07 PM, July 07, 2006, Anonymous RC said...

I think sponsoring a South African family is noble deed however this I dont think will solve the issues South Africa has with crime. We need to look at our governments policies specifically immigration policies because we are at the tip of africa we are the front door of the drugs trade which serves most of the world. We have other african nationals taking over our cities and suburbs and are intent on turning them into drug havens and slums like they have done in their own countries, they have no pride in South Africa and they care little for its citizens. Once we eradicate this disease from South Africa we can start to build on whats left. I was speaking to a Nigerian national and he said a few years ago the people of Nigeria were going through the same violent crimes we are experiencing in South Africa. The government started doing something about it and now the country still not without its problems is flourishing. The problem now is we have inherited these criminals who find the South African people profitable and easy targets.

They generally are part of larger Syndicates operating from places like Zambia and Nigeria to name but a few. If the government starts to enforce immigration policies and spends more resource on policing our borders we will definitely see a reduction in crime. We can then focus on the criminals that are citizens of SA. Unfortunately I fear these syndicates have money to spend on keeping Politicians in their own back pockets, so we need to see the goverment root out these traitors and start showing the South African public they mean business when it comes to tackling crime in South Africa.

My personal opinion on whether the Crime Expo site and yours Addy is neither here nor there but I applaud you in your response to it because it has had a greater reaction than you might have initially thought. I hope that it is a start of an educational journey for many people who visit your pages and also gives the Government a snap shot of how the citizens of South Africa feel (As if they dont already know).

 
At 5:07 PM, July 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Truth is, most of us already do employ otherwise unemployed people, with the intent of giving someone a hand-up. Soli Philander's mother-in-law was recently murdered in her home, apparently by her gardener! That murderess Dora Bell, paroled from Pollsmoor Prison last week after the intervention of Correctional Services Minister Ngconde Balfour, is in line for a job in his parliamentary office. She went to prison for murdering her employer, a helpless old woman who gave her a hand-up by employing her... Instead of spending the rest of her undeserving life behind bars, this murderess has been rewarded instead. So tell me... why should we risk our lives any further by offering these people a key to our homes? Such action would make us accomplices to crime.

 
At 5:15 PM, July 07, 2006, Anonymous jock homo said...

it's damn excellent people are coming out and expressing their opinions!

that's one good thing about the Internet.

i like the idea about sponsoring people in need but it is something best achieved by a coordinated and systematic approach. otherwise we fall in the old trap of "baaskap" (master/servant relationship). we need public works programmes - i wouldn't mind contributing my money provided it was tax deductable (but hold on a sec, i already contribute because part of my income tax here in france goes to development aid for africa!).

how much more tax do south africans need to pay to develop the country in the right direction?

solidarity projects will only succeed if there is a firm law enforcement and justice system supporting the nation. right now, there is too much money being pumped into private security for the wealthy few - why can this cost not be diverted to fund the safety of all citizens?

 
At 5:17 PM, July 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If poverty was the cause of crime then one would expect theft to be the only problem. A bullet through the brain for a cellphone is hardly a result of poverty. How would you lay the blame for rape with poverty? You sound as bad as the friggin Amaxhosa National Congress.

 
At 5:44 PM, July 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Most criminals start with petty crimes, theft included. We need a major overhaul of our "gang run" prison system, more young offender diversion programmes. Get behind good government initiatives, join www.standtogether.co.za

 
At 5:52 PM, July 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So What do you have to say about today's article in IOL. Wake up, open your eyes, it might save your live.
________________________________________

Brazen hijackers rampage through Cape suburb
By Johan Schronen and Henri du Plessis

A heavily armed gang rampaged through Parklands, Table View, on Friday morning, hijacking at least four cars, some in their owners' driveways.

Men carrying handguns and AK-47 assault rifles and thought to be wearing wigs as a disguise, struck as people left their homes for work, at around 9am, in a hijacking blitz that took no more than 10 minutes to carry out.

But the hijackers, who sources believed might have a police radio, abandoned all the cars around the suburb as they fled.


'They know what they want to do and they are just going to wait for things to calm down'
A wig and an AK-47 magazine were found in one of the cars. Nobody was injured.

Police have warned the robbers might still be in the area and warned residents to be careful.

The owner of a new Volkswagen Golf GTi, who did not want to be named, was hijacked in his driveway as he waited for his garage door to close before leaving for work.

"I saw my neighbour's Mercedes-Benz reverse out of his driveway at speed and smash into a Renault Clio in the street," the man said.

"I first thought he was in the car, but then I saw it wasn't him. The next moment, a guy got out of the Renault, ran to my car and pointed a handgun at my head. He told me to get out and give him my cellphone.

"I just opened the door and lay flat on the ground. He got into my car and drove off, with the Mercedes-Benz following him."

The Golf was soon found abandoned in Dorchester Road, not far from the victim's home.

The Mercedes-Benz, a BMW, also apparently hijacked in the area, and the Renault were also found abandoned.

A police helicopter combed the area, but its crew were unable to spot the perpetrators.

Police at the scene where the Golf was found said they believed the gang was waiting for another opportunity to strike.

"They know what they want to do and they are just going to wait for things to calm down," one officer said.

Fearing the gang had planned to strike nearby banks or cashvan bases, police deployed the helicopter and put a watch on the establishments.

Ground patrols also moved into banks and shopping centres in the surrounding Table View, West Beach and Bloubergstrand areas.

The drama began shortly before 9am, when the gang pounced in the vicinity of Raats Drive, Table View, and held up the driver of a Renault Clio, but abandoned the vehicle minutes later.

The second and third attacks happened minutes later in Fernwood Close, Table View.

Police found the wig and AK-47 in the Mercedes-Benz in Camden Walk, Parklands.
• henrid@incape.co.za
• This article was originally published on page 1 of The Cape Argus on July 07, 2006

Published on the Web by IOL on 2006-07-07 13:39:00
________________________________________
© Independent Online 2005. All rights reserved. IOL publishes this article in good faith but is not liable for any loss or damage caused by reliance on the information it contains.

 
At 6:10 PM, July 07, 2006, Anonymous Frank said...

I found you in IOL actually right next to this link Hijach Rampage in Cape

I love SA a huge amount BUT I think that crime is not being effectively addressed which spawns the kind of websites people do not like.

Unfortunately the biggest failing of Neils website is its readers racial bias.

 
At 6:28 PM, July 07, 2006, Blogger Lorenzo said...

Hi Andy

I came across your blog address on iol. I am really glad that you started this blog as there is an incredible need for balanced viewpoints in South Africa.

From my experience, and I am generalising here, the media in South Africa are far off centre, very right of centre. I don't think they see it like that, but as someone who works in foreign countries, I can't help but make the comparisons with media in eg Dubai or Singapore or Japan.

I can tell you this much though - there is incredible excitement amongst foreign soccer fans about coming to SA in 2010 - crime or no crime!! And with their positive attitude, it alerts one to the fact that we tend to see only the bad in SA. But if we change our perspective, we will also be able to see over the hill - hopefully it will broaden our vision and help us solve our problems.

proudly South African in Japan

 
At 6:31 PM, July 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Me again.

I just went to see what was going on on the front page of news24.

Check it out - somebody has got to take crime seriously.

 
At 6:45 PM, July 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Andy

I reckon you still need to wake up & smell the coffee. Wait until you have children & you'll realise just what's going on. It's all very well saying you've been a victim of crime & still stay but wait until the day comes that you worry every day that today will be the day your wife is raped or today will be the day your son loses his life in the backseat of your hijacked car..... that's why most of us leave, not because we really want to but for the future of our spouses & children. I was mugged at gun point, twice, hijacked in JHB & tied up in my home while it was ransacked. It was just me... I took it until the day I was accosted outside my child's school & they drove off with my 3 year old son in his carseat. He was found wandering on the Bloemfontein road 3 days later. We left SA the week later. I love SA with all I have but some things you can't live with.

 
At 7:50 PM, July 07, 2006, Anonymous mutha said...

Addy, ill take you up on your latest outburst < Unimployment & us helping families ?

But first go and "Read" my first blog ( this is my second )

As you so rightly say the numbers & unimployment ?

1. First you have to understand things finite < You can only cut a loaf of bread into so many slices.
South Africa's bread isnt big enough for the population and never will be < just like the rest of the world. ( Reality)
The ANC always talk about Africa ( plural) and not South Africa ( Singular ) Its even in the New South African anthem < Africa Borwa Africa.Eveybody from Africa is invited here, 3 million Zimbabweans are here already
Lets no include the millions of others from war torn empovrished African states who infest our country like a desease, bringing nothing but missery, povery & crime to our land. ( Nothing Positve )

2. Culture : South Africa has a Polygamous marriage system amongst its ethnic's : - lots of wives and lots of children from these wives.
With no thought of how to feed, raise & educate them Re 45 million plus !

3. The African National Congress & friends have the highest number of " Multi-Millionaires per capita in Africa ?
And they wont even support our welfare institutions ?

4. We have worked hard for everything we have & no one has ever given me anything for free !
So i will keep my DSTV thank you very much.
I don't have six wives /18 children & three boyfriends !
I have one wife & one son as we have a responsibility to our children to see they get the best as they did not ask to be born into this shit hole of suffering.
And suffering there is aplenty !
This dosn't give you or anybody the right to rape babies & carry out hidious murders on the white farm population or kill any one for the sake of revenge ! this is not hunger or starvation motivated its just straight racist hate !

5.Why are the ANC friends with Mugabe ? Are you not known by the friends you keep ?
Why did Mugabe get a standing ovation from the ANC in front of the union buildings ?

6. Why are we being disarmed ?

7. and here's the " Big One " :-
Do you realise that we could eradicate South African poverty immediatly ! Yes < 50 million Citizens for round figures right ? Makes 20 million families, so why wont Thabo & the ANC just give each family R 5 000 000.00 ???
End of problem ! ( Sounds crazy right )= R100 000 000.00 its nothing, the ANC would never miss it < Thabo's Airbus cost R600 000 000.00, his car train was R80 000 000.00 ? Bret Kebble blew 2 Billion ? Metro spending is in Billions/wastage in millions ?
There is plenty to go around & give everybody a house & a new mercedes from less then 10% of the ANC's wastage ?

But first you have to stop their greed ?
So maybe while you are being the Good Samaritan, you might want to start a positive Blog about them ?

 
At 8:13 PM, July 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Andy, I am going to include you as a South African hero on a website under construction that counter the crime expo website
I live in the USA and there is more crime here than SA, but as you know, it all goes down to interests and hate when it comes to who you support and like. We will reveal the truth.
you are a special south african, if not human being. you have no hate in your blood.

our website is www.southafricahaters-racists-terrorists.com , we will also have a special segment for positive south africans like you.

 
At 9:02 PM, July 07, 2006, Anonymous Sane Capetonian said...

Anonymous copy-and-paster, it would have been sufficient to provide a link to the article and a description, instead of making us scroll through its entire contents, especially those of us who have already read it on IOL. How about some basic internet courtesy?

To the nay-sayers: first you whinge about nobody providing concrete suggestions for what the average person can do to help bring down the crime rate. Then someone posts a concrete suggestion... and you whinge that there's no point in anyone pursuing it, because it won't be enough, and won't do any good, and might directly put you in terrible danger of being killed.

Of course no one person here can single-handedly eliminate the entire crime problem! Of course any single person can only make a small contribution. That doesn't mean that all our small contributions would be worthless. They would sure as hell be worth something to the specific people you help.

Oh, right, but those people are scary. And they turn on their employers and kill them all the time. I guess we'd better leave them to their squalor, and hope that the poverty goes away by magic.

 
At 9:30 PM, July 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

mutha said...
The ANC always talk about Africa ( plural) and not South Africa ( Singular ) Its even in the New South African anthem < Africa Borwa Africa.Eveybody from Africa is invited here, 3 million Zimbabweans are here already
Lets no include the millions of others from war torn empovrished African states who infest our country like a desease, bringing nothing but missery, povery & crime to our land. ( Nothing Positve )"

Len Responds:
South Africa is in Africa. It is not the ANC that sees this reality, but those who understand geography. It is obvious that Mutha missed a few classes or so.
Oddly enough, these poor African countries took us in even at the threat of being attacked by the previous apartheid regime.

Mutha continues:
2. Culture : South Africa has a Polygamous marriage system amongst its ethnic's : - lots of wives and lots of children from these wives.
With no thought of how to feed, raise & educate them Re 45 million plus !

Len:
This is utter crap and deserves no other response.

Mutha continues with his Watson impression
3. The African National Congress & friends have the highest number of " Multi-Millionaires per capita in Africa ?
And they wont even support our welfare institutions ?

Len Responds:
What is source is this from, or another piece of unwarranted and unjustified crap?

The idiot continues:
4. We have worked hard for everything we have & no one has ever given me anything for free !
So i will keep my DSTV thank you very much.

Len Responds
Yes, we can see that DSTV is important to you. Unfortunately, that seems to be the only place where you find education.

Mutha blurts out:
I don't have six wives /18 children & three boyfriends !
I have one wife & one son as we have a responsibility to our children to see they get the best as they did not ask to be born into this shit hole of suffering.
And suffering there is aplenty !
This dosn't give you or anybody the right to rape babies & carry out hidious murders on the white farm population or kill any one for the sake of revenge ! this is not hunger or starvation motivated its just straight racist hate !

Len Responds:
I suppose you do not consider your stupid comments racist, then?

Muthu said:
5.Why are the ANC friends with Mugabe ? Are you not known by the friends you keep ?
Why did Mugabe get a standing ovation from the ANC in front of the union buildings ?

Len Responds:
Perhaps they were tired of iriots like you, so they had to cheer for another idiot

Muthu
6. Why are we being disarmed ?

Len Responds:
So you would stop killing the police. In any case, I doubt if you could learn to read the gun manual.

Muthu says:
7. and here's the " Big One " :-
Do you realise that we could eradicate South African poverty immediatly ! Yes < 50 million Citizens for round figures right ? Makes 20 million families, so why wont Thabo & the ANC just give each family R 5 000 000.00 ???
End of problem ! ( Sounds crazy right )= R100 000 000.00 its nothing, the ANC would never miss it < Thabo's Airbus cost R600 000 000.00, his car train was R80 000 000.00 ? Bret Kebble blew 2 Billion ? Metro spending is in Billions/wastage in millions ?
There is plenty to go around & give everybody a house & a new mercedes from less then 10% of the ANC's wastage ?

But first you have to stop their greed ?
So maybe while you are being the Good Samaritan, you might want to start a positive Blog about them ?

Len Responds:
It is a miracle that idiots can type

 
At 11:50 PM, July 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Len Responds:
It is a miracle that idiots can type"

Well it seems the idiot you had type your drivel for you does not spell very well, his post '94 education is quite apparent.

 
At 12:28 AM, July 08, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Proudly South African In Spain.

 
At 9:49 AM, July 08, 2006, Anonymous Spellcheck said...

Len , you sound like ButtBrother ? Your score was Zero on the " Mutha" Inquisition ?

Your were not able to make one valid comment only stupid critisism.

calling " Mutha " a Racist even when he thinks of giving all the families of South Africa 5 million Rand. ALL FAMILIES ! Thats not racist ?
Thats Positive !
He sees the greed of the ANC & the suffering of the masses.

BUT YOU COULDN'T SEE THAT ?

So one can only conclude : that you are an ANC Tail-Gunner, you support's murder & rape but spelling must be immaculate ?

Try thinking with your big head & stop playing with yourself !

 
At 12:49 PM, July 08, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where did my post disappear to?!
posted July 08, 2006 2:17 AM

 
At 1:46 PM, July 08, 2006, Blogger Len said...

Wow, Spellcheck, I do admire your ignorance.
As far as I recall, I did not call Mutha a racist, but delighted you answered my question.
You claim that I made no telling points against Mutha's comments. I suppose if you spend so much time sniffing his butt, you will not notice comments made that are valid.
Mutha claims that it is South Africa custom and policy to have a polygamous marriage.
I presume that you agree with this comment no matter how untrue and ridiculous it is.
Do not mistake blind support for facts.
Notice that most of those that support Watson's stupid idea have a tendency to see themselves as superior to other South Africa with a different colour.
Wonder why that is.
Notice that all Mr Watson's story relate attacks of white and Indian people in the hands of "blacks" but no story about the farmer who shot a child thinking it was a dog.
Oh no, such actions are justified, right?

 
At 2:56 PM, July 08, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Proudly South African; what does that mean?Does it mean you are one of the few rich companies who can afford the proudly south african logo?Pretty much these days.It is all fine and well to take pride in our amazing country,but people are as leaders do,and if robbing the country is all they can do, what is to be expected?our leaders need to start taking pride in our country.Thats where it starts.

 
At 6:48 PM, July 08, 2006, Anonymous mutha said...

Hey Len , you idiot, can.t you read either ? Please read this <
Slo.....ly very slo......ly and try and use the big brain !

I speculated the intention of giving the " Entire Nation " R 5 000 000.00 per family, from the ANC Regime's waste, which numbers in the billions of Rand !

Now read this again Slo.....ly & let it sink in to that piece of plank you call a brain !

And " YES " everybody qualifies for the bonus except the ANC Leaders !
They have billions already !
And you dont have to like them to be a democrat :- AND NOT EVERYBODY LIKES YOUR ANC !

AND " YES " WE SUPPORT THE DRIVE TO :-
1. CONTROL BREEDING ( IF YOU CANT FEED IT DON'T BREED IT )
2.IMPOSE THE DEATH SENTENCE FOR MURDER.
3. GENITAL REMOVAL & PRISON WITH HARD LABOUR FOR LIFE FOR RAPE.
4. COMPULSORY FREE EDUCATION FOR ALL (LEN YOU ARE EXEMPTED ).
5. EXTENSION OF THE EDUCATION SYSTEM TO SPECIALISE IN OTHER DISCIPLINES SUCH AS GENERAL AGRICULTURAL TRAINING, GERERAL ENGINEERING IN ALL FIELDS & GENERAL CONSTRUCTION.
6. REDISTRIBUTION OF LAND TO BE STOPPED IMMEDIATLY, AND ALL GOVERNMENT LAND TO BE GIVEN TO PROSPECTIVE FARMERS OF ALL ETHNIC GROUP'S.
WE NEED MORE FARMS,NOT LESS TO FEED THE POPULATION.
7. BEE TO BE SCRAPPED WITH IMMEDIATE EFFECT AS ITS RACIST ! THE NEW POLICY IS :- IF YOU HAVE THE SKILL'S & QUALIFICATION'S YOU GET THE JOB, NO ARGUMENTS !

And a special little room to be built for Len with padded wall's painted in GREEN, YELLOW & BLACK!

 
At 1:59 PM, July 09, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So you can be murdered by one of them that you help

 
At 12:13 PM, July 10, 2006, Anonymous mutha said...

Addy you say you read all the posted plog's, so then answer mine < Blog No 23 in response to Anon's Challenge !

Because there ive suggested many ways to eliminate crime, typed in Uppercase so's you cant mis it !

Id like you to post it at the head of your page for response please ?

Its as positive as one can get !

you can edit out my intro to Len !

Im keen to see reality take over in this country !

 
At 4:13 PM, July 12, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Neil Watson works for an Insurance company. What's the best way to sell insurance?? Through FEAR!!

Where does the R3 you are charged per SMS on his site go to????

 
At 8:17 PM, July 21, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi rc

crime is big business and it needs to be addressed

 
At 1:10 PM, August 02, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Where does the R3 you are charged per SMS on his site go to????"

TO FUND HIS WEBSITE MATE!!..

 
At 1:59 PM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous jeff mills said...

bwahahaha. what a pathetic loser this anony-mouse character is. why do you people actually waste your time with this tosser? he won't listen to what you say and will twist anything you do to suite his purpose. he also seems to be in full support of this southafricaiscrap character. have you seen this crap blog? the author of it thinly veils his racism by referring to "new south africans" instead of using the word black. he doesn't even have the balls to follow through completely. and this anony-mouse character is in support of him and probably the africacrisis site the southafricaiscrap blog too. they're both unashamedly racist so what does this character's support of those sites make him?

you would waste time on a racist who believes that apartheid was actually a good thing? you would have an argument with someone who believes a falsehood like that?

to call him a loser is an insult to losers.

 
At 11:43 AM, August 14, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Mutha aka mathematical moron

Just to highlight how stupid you really are, let's just talk about one of your suggestions, the BIG ONE:
You want to give each of 20,000,000 families R5 million?
Simple maths calculates the total at R100 trillion. Now the entire South African economy only generates R3.5 trillion in a year (GDP) which means it would take ALL the money made in SA in 30 years to fund your brainless plan. And you had a good education! This means that actually, I'm afraid to say, you are nothing else than, well, stupid.

 

Post a Comment

<< Home