Under Attack?
I have a simple question. What does posting news stories do to help anybody? I am not deleting any comments at all. Good or bad, so if you want to say something say it.This morning 'Anonymous' decided that it would serve his or her agenda well to try and compete against positive comments by posting news article after news article about crime in South Africa. In fact, there is no point. I have never, nor has anyone else said on this blog that crime is not a problem. We're all in agreement there. The debate is how to handle the problem. Flooding the site with news reports is not constructive.
If anyone wants to see the news today, please visit:
IOL
News24
Mail & Guardian
There are many more.
Even CNN.com occassionally has negative stories about South Africa, but you know what. They also have positives.
'Anonymous', most people who comment on this site use the Anon option because it is easier. Identify yourself if you have something constructive to say. Be negative if you want, but I don't need the extra hits or the comments if there is nothing constructive to be said. If you want to refer to a story, don't publish the entire story, rather publish a link. It makes life easier for all of us.
Have a good day, everyone.
Addy
posted by Addy @ 9:41 am
32 Comments:
It is a reflection on your delusional thinking that you think the news is an "attack" on your blog!
I cannot help it if you don't like the news: but I can help it if you try and con people ito thinking that everything is fine and dandym when it clearly isn't....
If you really don't like the news, then you had better leave this god-awful, crime-wracked, aids-riddled, collapsing infrastructure, Third World hell hole, like the rest of us have done, or are soon planning to do.
As a reader of this blog I really don't appreciate reading pages and pages of news stories posted by Mr Anon. Am I sticking my head in the sand? No, I read IOL and news24 throughout the day and make a point to read all the horror stories as thats reality. The point though is that this blog is meant to be a discussion and the posting of all those stories stops that - we can read those stories anywhere (and we do!!!!)...
well as terrible as it may be to say, it's completely necessary: good riddance to you anonymous!
Oh dear, what HAVE we here?
Students attacked in city residence
July 10 2006 at 09:32AM
By Barry Bateman
Two students were attacked in their room at the Tshwane University of Technology's Heidehof residence last week - the third such incident in a month.
Students cite a lack of security and residence management's alleged apathy as reasons for increasing crime at the all-girl accommodations, on the corner of Du Toit and Edmond streets in Arcadia.
Many of the 300 or so students have considered leaving because they fear for their safety.
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=15&art_id=vn20060710013932455C771285
The stories just pile up, hour after hour, day after day.... and who do you accuse of sticking their head in the sand?
You MUST have your head in the sand to ignore all the signs...
And tut, tut, look here as well...
Adult thugs luring more kids to crime
July 10 2006 at 09:30AM
By Cornelia du Plooy
South African children are being coaxed by hardened criminals to commit violent crimes.
This was the shock finding of a study carried out in Gauteng and the Western Cape by the Community Law Centre (CLC) of the University of the Western Cape.
Jacqui Gallinett, co-ordinator of the Children's Rights Project at the CLC, said children used by adults to commit offences (the so-called Cubac phenomenon) represented the worst form of child labour.
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=15&art_id=vn20060710015157415C232592
Pack yer bags, folks!
And to anyone overseas foolish enough to be considering visting South Afria -- THINK AGAIN. You will be risking your life.
Dear Sarah -- can't help noticing that, according to your blogger profile, you are located in London...dearie me, a real patriot, aren't we!
And this will be my last one for today: However, expect more updates from me tomorrow! This site is even BETTER than the Crime Exposed one, thanks, deluded liberals, for setting it up.
DA to force crime answers from Nqakula
05 July 2006 02:01
The Democratic Alliance is to invoke the Promotion of Access to Information Act in an attempt to force Minister of Safety and Security Charles Nqakula to reveal how many police officers have been killed this year.
Nqakula left for Burundi on Tuesday to continue facilitating the peace deal there "at a time when armed criminals are waging a war of their own against police and innocent civilians at home", DA spokesperson Roy Jankielsohn said.
"He also leaves behind a public that remain in the dark about crime and have no idea what his plans to fight crime are, and indeed, whether he even has any."
http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=276296&area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__national/
Mr Anonymous - Can you add anything intelligent apart from just copying and pasting articles that most people have already read in the morning?
Yours sincerely
Deluded liberal
Hey Mr Anonymous.. I might be a deluded liberal, but its better than acting like a petulant spoiled brat. What are you trying to achieve (apart from being a big pain in the butt) with your postings. Not one deluded liberal has once said that crime isn’t a problem. We live in South Africa. There is no denying that crime is a problem. What we would like to do something about it! And thank you so much Addy for your site to help us do that!! How do you imagine that dumbly regurgitation the IOL web site is going to help? It is also so disturbing to me that people like yourself THRIVE on bad news and horror. I can imagine yourself and people like yourself getting very excited each time someone gets murdered because it PROVES that you are right and justifies your negativity! Don't you think you should be a little less gleeful about what you are cutting and pasting. Its not a completion in which you can score cheap points overtime someone in attacked. These are real people! Show some respect!
Oh dear, I can't leave this wonderful forum alone!
To answer your questions:
1. "How do you imagine that dumbly regurgitation the IOL web site is going to help?"
Answer: It is going to allow, particularly foreign visitors, to this blog to see that the whole point of Neil Watson's Crime Exposed web site is valid, very real -- and that this blog is a deluded attempt to try and con foreign potential visitors to South Africa that things are not as bad as the really are.
What you are actually upset about, is that the news, each day, confirms over and over again the reality and truth that South Africa has become a Third World toilet, or should I say a Turd World toilet.
2. "I can imagine yourself and people like yourself getting very excited each time someone gets murdered because it PROVES that you are right and justifies your negativity!"
Answer: Well, first of all, thanks for admitting that I am right.
Actually, I get no joy at all from reporting on the evil slaughterhouse that is the "New South Africa." As a former journalist for one of the major dailies in Johannesburg, I know and understand all too well the dreadful trauma this crime wave nightmare brings.
But, the point of bringing it home to people who pretend it doesn't exist, is actually to try and stop it happening again:
-- firstly, by persuading foreign visitors not to be silly take their life in their hands by visiting this awful country; and
-- secondly by persuading those people who can see where this country is headed - Zimbabwe will seem like a picnic - to get out while they can.
Now, that's a positive suggestion, instead of all these pie-in-the-sky fantasy island "let's tax alcohol" nonsense.....
Mr Anonymous
You say you give positive suggestions:
"-- firstly, by persuading foreign visitors not to be silly take their life in their hands by visiting this awful country; and"
- That might help tourists who visit SA
"-- secondly by persuading those people who can see where this country is headed - Zimbabwe will seem like a picnic - to get out while they can."
- The might help people who have decided/deciding to leave SA
So please give me a positive suggesion for the millions of people who are in SA and consider it home. I.e. what could we do to make SA safer, not what can we do to make yourself safer? I guess we could post stories on a forum and hope for the best....
So please give me a positive suggesion for the millions of people who are in SA and consider it home. I.e. what could we do to make SA safer
There is nothing you can do. Zero. Zip.
You ask such a silly question because you do not understand the social, racial and political dynamics at work in South Africa.
You have
(a) a growing population of millions of uneducated, and uneducable, masses who have seen how the Whites live, and have been told, falsely, that the only reason why they do not live like that is because of 'racism';
(b) these millions are increasingly crowding into shocking squatter camp settlements in all the urban areas;
(c) these disease ridden nightmare 'informal settlements' are the breeding ground for all manner of social ills, crime being one of the major ones, but not the only one;
(d) Simultaneously, we are 12 years down from "Freedom" but the truth is, that with the declining Rand/dollar/pound exchange rate, anti-White affirmative action in the economy (which has seen skilled Whites flee, literally by the million -- the White population has already dropped by at least 1,5 million since 1994) and other factors, the truth is that life has actually got worse for the average Black in the squatter camps, not better, over the years.
(e) No government on earth is able to combat such a growing problem ( especially one which is so corrupt as to buy completely unneeded jets and submarines for billions while all this is going on) and as a result, it is an unsolvable problem;
(f) As the social deprivation grows, as the squatter camps get bigger (the population in Gauteng is set to double by 2020!) so the crime will only get worse and worse, and, ultimately, this will lead to a radicalization of the political power structure, with the corrupt ANC leaders being replaced by new, younger, more radical ones (equally corrupt of course) but who will seek to "alleviate the disparities of the past" by engaging in the type of activities we have seen in Zimbabwe, which, not coincidentally, occurred some 29 years after 'Freedom' in that country.
So there is nothing you can do, except be honest and admit that for the sakes of yourselves, and your children, to get out of this dying country before it is too late.
Edit to my entry above: the reference to "29 years" in Zimbabwe, is a typo: it should be "20 years"
Mr Anonymous.. You still seem to be missing the point here! No one said that you weren’t right! We know South Africa has a huge crime problem!! We really really do!! Honest!! BUT! We can't just GET OUT. It’s our country and there is no way the bad minority is going to make us leave! We want to know what we can do about FIXING the problem! You are a sad, bitter person and please don’t tell us that bad news doesn't excite you because it quite clearly does. This forum is obviously the best thing that has happened in your life. You have probably chased all your friends away with your gleeful negativity and now you imagine you have a free forum where you can tell us how Evil our country is. Well it isn’t working. We have a wonderful country and I love it.
The beauty of this forum is that you can cut and paste and I can reply with.. "Its a wonderful country! I love it and us deluded liberals WILL make it a better place!!".
And as for your comment... "secondly by persuading those people who can see where this country is headed - Zimbabwe will seem like a picnic - to get out while they can."... When are you leaving.. Can I give you a lift to the Airport??
based on anonymous' IP address, he is not in South Africa or even Zimbabwe
Mr Anonymous
Are you still in SA? If so, why?
If not, why do you come onto a forum and blast your home country? Just be happy with your choice and move on, you don't need to justify it...
beep beep beep beep breaking news just in....
SA's high road death rate worse than Dehli
The death rate of 56 per 100 000 population on South Africa's roads should be declared a public health issue.
So says Geetam Tiwari, chairperson and associate professor of Transport Research and Injury Prevention Programme at the Indian Institute of Technology in Delhi.
She was speaking at an Urban Age Conference hosted by the London School of Economics in Johannesburg at the weekend.
Tiwari expressed shock, saying the figure had remained static since 1997 and was worse than Tehran which stood at 39. Delhi stands at 12 per 100 000; New York 5; Mexico 7 and London 3.
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn20060710010928112C842021
(Let's see now, do the huge (by some estimates, 60%, of fake Drivers' licences have anything to do with this? Oh no, of course not, that's just me being a racist...
Cops foil Mandela bridge robbery
July 10 2006 at 12:21PM
A man was arrested when he attempted to rob a passer-by with a toy gun on the Nelson Mandela Bridge in Johannesburg, police said on Monday.
Inspector Kriban Naidoo said police were driving around Braamfontein when they noticed suspicious people on the bridge on Saturday.
"The suspects held up a person with a firearm. Police arrested the guy and discovered that he was armed with a toy firearm."
Naidoo said a week ago on the same bridge, police shot an armed robber who had been caught trying to rob a passer-by.
"The suspect was shot after he pointed a firearm at police," Naidoo said. - Sapa
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=qw1152525241849B265
And now, dear readers, you will have to excuse me -- I really am off to a friend's funeral in Pretoria this afternoon at 3pm, after he was murdered in a hijacking in his driveway last week.
Glad you mention the source and authenticity of the estimates.
Furthermore, I am sure you would not accuse the drunk drivers, intolerant drivers and not to mention the road ragers as people who bought their licence.
Do the people breaking speed limits daily also lacking in driving fundamentals? What about the guys that drive their vehicles having removed their licence plates?
Racism? Not likely, since all the culprits are white.
No disagreement about the fact that our roads are a nightmare and more needs to be done. I doubt if, however, this will be stopped by claiming that someone else is responsible when speed is mostly the problem. I also notice that you enjoy bad news. It seems to make you feel alive to such a point you cannot wait to gloat about going to a fake funeral in fake pretoria.
Oh well, what can you do with people like you?
I must be another delusional liberal because I too love SA despite the crime rate and believe that it has the potential to be an even more wonderful place than it already is. YES crime is a problem NO it will not chase me away. I truly believe that despite the crime rate SA is a better place then it was pre-1994. Angie
I find it disgusting to see people like the foolish anonymous deliberately misinterpreting what Addy is trying to achieve with this blog. He has clearly put it that this blog is about people having an opportunity to express their views "finish and klaar". They are clearly showing their stupidity and lack of understanding of issues. These are people who have no interest in the country and its people but their cheap egos and interests. The more the crime situation, the better for them.
I suspect that these people are having a financial benefit out of the crime situation. It is like the more crime is not sorted out, the more money they make. That is why they are not interested in a debate on how the situation can be addressed.
This is a beautiful country with a lot of potential and we should all be involved in finding ways of making it better and safe rather than destroying it. We owe it to ourselves and our children.
You can see from anonymous' comments that he/she is just a racist who is bitter about everything that the country has achieved and now wants to destroy it. You will not succeed because we, the people of SA will make sure that we make it better by making criminals flee. I have reason to believe that you benefited from the problems that this country finds itself in and that in one way or another you contributed to the crime problems that we find ourselves in and that is why you dont want to be part of the solution.
This country has no place for you, so stay away from it.
Oh go away anonymous! Not that it has anything to do with you and the fact that you look for anything to be negative definitely does not justifiy me wasting my time on you but if you didn't know most young people who go to London to work do that so they can travel easily! It has absolutely nothing to do with patriotism. Being in your 20's is about exploration and self discovery. What you don't know or choose to ignore being mr/miss pessimism is that most young South Africans go home when they're tired of travelling and realise that living in London and the possibility of raising a family here is far less appealing than doing those things in SA. Travelling from SA is far more difficult than travelling from the UK... stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
Note, dear readers, the tactics of the posters above: NONE of them try to refute anything I have posted here -- all they can do is engage in childish name calling.
Consider the following: in the posts above I have been called:
racist
a liar (about attending a funeral
a petulant spoiled brat
a sad, bitter person
(I have) racially based notions of revenge
a coward
foolish
and the best of all
in one way or another I have contributed to the crime problems !!!!!!
NOT ONE of these name-callers has even tried to fault a single one of the facts I have listed above....
But, I suppose, what else can you do when the FACTS are so clearly against you, except to resort to schoolyard level name calling.
Bad news people: you impress no-one with your childish and transparent tacts.
Try debating the facts.... if you can. Or is that asking too much?
Okay anonymous, I'm not here to call you names. I'm here to fulfil your request and talk facts. Premises and conclusions.
Premise 1: Crime in South Africa is at a completely unacceptable level.
Premise 2: No-one wants to be a victim of crime.
Conclusion: Action must be demanded of the democratically elected Government to curb crime.
I am almost certain you would agree so far.
From these facts, the following statements of yours do not follow:
Your major conclusion above (with which you begin the 12th comment): nothing can be done to make South Africa safer. (From this follows your advice that SA is dying and we should all flee.) You also state, somewhat questionably, that the “masses” are “uneducable”.
Neither of those things are true.
Compare the crime rate in 1994 to the crime rate today and you will acknowledge that, in fact, the crime situation does change. We've seen it get worse over time, but have seen short-term improvements as well, and other countries have managed to change their crime situations for the better even over long periods. That alone indicates that the crime situation can improve, and there is action that can be taken to this end.
It would therefore seem foolish, all other things being equal, to give up and flee this country. The only situation in which things will surely not improve and only get worse is the one in which, as you advise, people become convinced of the futility of trying to improve things and give up altogether.
If things look bad to you, that is very unfortunate (they may look bad to me too) but it does not mean they are unsalvageable. There is actually no persuasive reason to encourage others to give up.
Note: this is not an emotive argument, it is a rational one.
Patrick,
Thank you for at least trying to debate instead of just resorting to name calling, as the other intellectual titans on this blog have done.
However, as anyone reading this particular page will be able to see, you have refuted none of my facts (as outlined above) -- instead you just tell me that I am "wrong" about the reality that there is nothing that can be done; and that the masses are ueducable.
You don't say why I am wrong, or why you are right.
Why don't you reread my earlier posts where I discussed why the problem in South Africa is unsolvable due to simple, logical and obvious demographic presssures.
Could the person who said that the photos on the crime expo site are from rotten.com please please please provide some proof. I think that it would be great to expose that if its true - it would make a good news angle - a press release could then be sent out to the media and discredit Watson. Let Addy have the info - he has my e-mail address - I can then work on sending out a release.
Thanks
Angie.
First world countries have a first rate no nonsence police force.
Third world countries like SA have a third rate police force as a result of BAD MANAGEMENT.
One thing I am sure we all aggree on is that we have a real crime problem on our hands.
Why does the Govermunt not get it? Makes one think....
This out of control crime would not be tolerated in first world countries...
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South Africa is not first World or European country.
That does not mean we need to tolerate crime. Third world countries do not tolerate crime either.
shame Mr Anonymous
Although I moved to London for Two years, mainly to travel Europe, I cannot wait to return to my country,so beautiful and friendly (except for one miserable person-ofcourse) anyway when I do return home I will start a support group for kids that were not loved when they were growing up and how they can take their anger and turn it into positivity (anonymous would u like to join?)
At the end of the day SA has crime but so does everyone else, we need to be more patriotic about our country so that we can pave a better future for the next generation..
Peace Love and Happiness .....
The SA Law Commission's report on crime resolution rates revealed that only 6 out of every 100 robberies, rapes and murders ever result in a conviction of an offender.
(SOUTH AFRICAN LAW COMMISSION, RESEARCH PAPER 18, Conviction rates and other outcomes of crimes reported in eight South African police areas available in PDf format here)
According to the SA Law Commission’s report, the percentage of cases reported resulting in convictions is as follows:
Murder: 10.6%
Rape 6.6%
Robbery with aggravating circumstances 3%.
These are shockingly low figures, and I can do no better than to quote from the SA Law Commission’s findings:
“Crime pays. South African criminals, even violent criminals, tend to get away with their crimes.
“For every 100 violent crimes (murder, rape and aggravated robbery) reported to the police, perpetrators in only six cases had been convicted after more than two years.
“This proportion of convictions in relation to the reported cases two years after the report is similar for different crime categories.
“There is a conviction in approximately one in ten reported cases of rape of a girl under 18 (9%) and in a similar proportion of reported murder cases (11%).
“Less than one in twenty perpetrators of reported adult rape (5%) or aggravated robbery (3%) are convicted.
“Three quarters of cases involving murder, rape and robbery with aggravating circumstances have not even made it to court after two years.
“There are numerous, well documented, problems in the South African criminal justice system that would account for low conviction rates.
“Such problems include under-trained and overworked detectives and prosecutors who have inadequate support staff and services.
“There are high levels of illiteracy in the police and problems with discipline and morale.
“The public also deserves a measure of blame for the poor performance of the criminal justice system with some people failing to co-operate with the police despite being witness to crime or having evidence about a crime or suspected perpetrators.
“Special mention should be made of the extent to which the results suggest potentially inadequate police investigation of violent crime.
“If police activity in the Western Metropole is similar to other police areas, then this means that nationally the police close as undetected most cases of violent crime reported to it.
“The study showed that police were unable to identify a suspect in 55% of reported violent crimes.
“This result does not imply that individual police officers are not doing their best with the available resources. They often have to do their work with inadequate resources, such as a lack of vehicles and insufficient access to modern policing technology.
“High case loads are compounded by low numbers of experienced, trained detectives.”
An excellent blog on the real SA
http://southafricaiscrap.blogspot.com/
bwahahaha. what a pathetic loser this anony-mouse character is. why do you people actually waste your time with this tosser? he won't listen to what you say and will twist anything you do to suite his purpose. he also seems to be in full support of this southafricaiscrap character. have you seen this crap blog? the author of it thinly veils his racism by referring to "new south africans" instead of using the word black. he doesn't even have the balls to follow through completely. and this anony-mouse character is in support of him and probably the africacrisis site the southafricaiscrap blog too. they're both unashamedly racist so what does this character's support of those sites make him?
you would waste time on a racist who believes that apartheid was actually a good thing? you would have an argument with someone who believes a falsehood like that?
to call him a loser is an insult to losers.
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